# Solving Integro-differential equation with limited integral

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ash on 25 Jun 2015
Answered: Claudio Gelmi on 6 Jan 2017
Hi,
How can I solve this equation numerically using matlab
w''''=w''*int(w'^2,0,1)
I tried using the standard form of ODE function, the only problem I faced is how to represent that limited integral Thanks

Torsten on 25 Jun 2015
w1'=w2
w2'=w3
w3'=w4
w4'=w3*integral_{t=0}^{t=1}w2^2(t') dt'
Then discretize the interval [0:1] in n subintervals 0=t(1)<t(2)<...<t(n)=1.
Compute the derivatives as
wj'(t(i))=(wj(t(i+1))-wj(t(i)))/dt (j=1,2,3,4)
and compute the integral using the trapezoidal rule.
You'll arrive at a polynomial system (order 3) of equations for the unknowns
wj(t(2)),wj(t(3)),...,wj(t(n)) (j=1,2,3,4)
which can be solved by fsolve, e.g.
No chance to use ODE45 in this case.
Another way might be to use ODE45 and iteratively adjust the value of the integral, but I'm not sure whether this method will converge.
Good luck !
Best wishes
Torsten.

ash on 28 Jun 2015
Thanks, sorry for the late reply
I tried to apply the technique you suggested (as much as I understood) using Euler 1st order, also my problem is a BVP (3 initial conditions and 1 BC) kindly find my code bellow The problem is that the code is too slow, and I can only solve small number of points
Is that what you advised me to do in our previous comment?, are there any enhancement for that code?
Thanks
syms a b
w=10;
T=30;
L=500;
F=1;
E=160e3;
I=2500;
A=T*w;
Npnts=11;
x=linspace(0,L/2,Npnts);
q1=sym(zeros(1,length(x)));
q2=sym(zeros(1,length(x)));
q3=sym(zeros(1,length(x)));
q4=sym(zeros(1,length(x)));
h=x(2)-x(1);
q1(1)=0;
q2(1)=0;
q3(1)=b;
q4(1)=-F/2/E/I;
for i=1:length(x)
q1(i+1)=q1(i)+h*q2(i);
q2(i+1)=q2(i)+h*q3(i);
q3(i+1)=q3(i)+h*q4(i);
q4(i+1)=q4(i)+h*q3(i)*a*A/2/L/I;
end
integ_a=sum(q2.^2)*h-a/2;
sol_ab=solve(integ_a==0,q2(i+1)==0,a,b);
sol_a=sol_ab.a;
sol_b=sol_ab.b;
sol_index=1;
q1=subs(q1,a,sol_a(sol_index));
q1=double(subs(q1,b,sol_b(sol_index)));

ash on 29 Jun 2015
Any help?
Torsten on 30 Jun 2015
The system to solve is
(w1(t(i+1))-w1(t(i)))/h = w2(t(i))
(w2(t(i+1))-w2(t(i)))/h = w3(t(i))
(w3(t(i+1))-w3(t(i)))/h = w4(t(i))
(w4(t(i+1))-w4(t(i)))/h = [sum_{j=1}^{j=Npnts-1}(w2(t(i+1))+w2(t(i)))*h/2]*w3(t(i))
(i=1,Npnts-1)
These are 4*(Npts-1) equations in which you will have to include the boundary conditions.
You can use fsolve to solve this system of polynomial equations.
Best wishes
Torsten.
Torsten on 30 Jun 2015
(w4(t(i+1))-w4(t(i)))/h = [sum_{j=1}^{j=Npnts-1}(w2(t(j+1))+w2(t(j)))*h/2]*w3(t(i))
Best wishes
Torsten.

Claudio Gelmi on 6 Jan 2017
Take a look at this solver:
Article "IDSOLVER: A general purpose solver for nth-order integro-differential equations": http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.cpc.2013.09.008
Best wishes,
Claudio